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Old 08-05-2018, 08:22   #2661   link
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Jep, het lijkt er op dat zijn inquiry naar crypto exchanges echt ging om de burgers te beschermen, zo enen is het wel
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Old 14-05-2018, 18:57   #2663   link
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Wat info voor CSM die niet van SA komt.
Gewoon de zoveelste aankondiging? So?

Al die aankondiging gaan hem trouwens nooit over het type "blockchain" waar Acku & co hun geld in steken.

Ook grappig dat er van de grote financiële revolutie die door blockchains ging werden ingeluid al lang geen sprake meer is, en er nu gewoon de grote banken worden toegejuicht.
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leugens, ge gaat nooit uw geld zien! - csm™
Welja, die kans zit er inderdaad in. Of denk je dat crypto een veilige belegging is, jelliuz?
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Jep, het lijkt er op dat zijn inquiry naar crypto exchanges echt ging om de burgers te beschermen, zo enen is het wel
Dus omdat de New York AG losse handjes heeft mogen exchanges hun klanten massaal frauderen, geld witwassen en mag dat niet onderzocht worden?

Nu zijt ge toch geen argumenten meer aan het geven maar gewoon losweg het criminele karakter van uw "investeringen" aan het goed praten zodat ge uw geld niet verliest?

Mijnheer 'keihard pro regulering', rofl.

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Old 14-05-2018, 19:59   #2664   link
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Dus omdat de New York AG losse handjes heeft mogen exchanges hun klanten massaal frauderen, geld witwassen en mag dat niet onderzocht worden?
Handig weer heel de rest van de context omtrent dat debat weggelaten, lekker gemakkelijk. Slaat werkelijk nergens op dat ik dat zou bedoelen noch willen, en is gewoon echt woorden in mijn mond leggen. Ik zeg gewoon dat SPECIFIEK de inquiry van de NYAG en de omstandigheden/motivatie ervan volstrekt ridicuul waren, en duidelijk niet bedoeld om de consument te beschermen. Iets waar de SEC en CFTC bijvoorbeeld wel heel hard mee bezig zijn, en op de juiste manier.


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Nu zijt ge toch geen argumenten meer aan het geven maar gewoon losweg het criminele karakter van uw "investeringen" aan het goed praten zodat ge uw geld niet verliest?


Mijnheer 'keihard pro regulering', rofl.
Mooi op de man gespeeld, lekker. Laatste keer dat ik trouwens probeer te argumenteren op uw gezeik, want ofwel vliegt het gewoon over uw hoofd (iets waarvan ik u verdenk veel te verstandig voor te zijn), ofwel kan het u gewoon niet schelen om hier écht over te discussieren. In beide gevallen verdoe ik mijn tijd, die ik beter in mijn "investeringen" kan steken.
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Cryptocurrency Exchange Upbit Raided by Korean Authorities

South Korean prosecutors raided the offices of Upbit, one of the world’s largest cryptocurrency exchanges.

Authorities searched the exchange’s offices on Thursday and Friday, according to an official from the Seoul Southern District Prosecutors’ Office, who asked not to be identified citing office policy. She declined to provide further details of the raid, which was first reported by the Korea Economic Daily.

“Upbit is currently under investigation by prosecutors and is cooperating,” the exchange said in a notice to clients, adding that services such as transactions and withdrawals were unaffected and that client assets were safe.

The exchange hosted about $1.6 billion of cryptocurrency trades in the past 24 hours, making it the biggest in Korea and the fourth-largest in the world among fee-charging venues tracked by Coinmarketcap.com.

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WSJ: ETH Now In A ‘Gray Zone’, But 2014 ICO Was Likely An ‘Illegal Securities Sale’

Ethereum (ETH), the world’s second largest cryptocurrency, is coming under particular scrutiny from U.S. federal regulators, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reports today, May 1. According to the WSJ, regulators are debating whether or not to classify it as a security under U.S. law.

The WSJ cites sources familiar with the matter, who report that regulators have declared that ETH, the world’s largest altcoin, is in a regulatory “gray zone”. A major concern reportedly being raised is how ETH was first distributed – in a sale of ETH starting in July 2014, the Ethereum Foundation raised over 31,000 BTC, (around $18.3 mln at the time) in one of the world’s first Initial Coin Offerings (ICOs).

Because the funds were used to develop the Ethereum platform, the WSJ's sources said regulators are concerned that the sale of ETH was arguably a securities sale, especially given that many investors likely bought the coins speculating that they would eventually rise in value.

If ETH is deemed a security, then under U.S. federal law it should have been registered as such with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) back in 2014 before being sold to US investors, as the WSJ notes.

Regulators are reportedly also studying whether or not the Ethereum Foundation continues to wield influence over the coin’s value.

Former U.S. government regulator Gary Gensler told the WSJ that “there is no legal precedent” for ETH. In a speech last week, Gensler said that “there is a strong case” ETH could be a “noncompliant” security – meaning unregistered with the SEC. As Cointelegraph reported, however, Gensler noted that ETH may be able to avoid a securities classification, since the coins are now mined.

The Ethereum Foundation responded to Gensler’s claims last week, saying that it does not control the supply or demand of ETH and owns less than 1% of the amount in circulation.

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Zimbabwe bans banks from processing payments for cryptocurrencies

HARARE (Reuters) - Zimbabwe’s central bank has stopped local banks from trading or processing payments linked to cryptocurrencies like bitcoin, its governor said on Monday, but stopped short of banning local cryptocurrency trading exchanges.

In the southern African nation, those who trade in bitcoin say it offers rare protection as their bank deposits lose value almost by the day while others use it to fund family members studying abroad or purchase goods online.

On Golix.com, the largest of only two trading platforms for virtual currencies, bitcoin was trading at $12,400 on Monday.

Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe governor John Mangudya, however, said in a statement, the central bank had not licensed anyone to trade in virtual currencies and that dealers and investors did not have the protection of the law.

“The Reserve Bank has directed all banking institutions not to provide banking services to facilitate any person or entity in dealing with or settling virtual currencies,” Mangudya said.

“The nature of cryptocurrency transactions make them the currency of choice for money launderers and other criminals.”

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Old 14-05-2018, 21:05   #2666   link
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Handig weer heel de rest van de context omtrent dat debat weggelaten, lekker gemakkelijk. Slaat werkelijk nergens op dat ik dat zou bedoelen noch willen, en is gewoon echt woorden in mijn mond leggen. Ik zeg gewoon dat SPECIFIEK de inquiry van de NYAG en de omstandigheden/motivatie ervan volstrekt ridicuul waren, en duidelijk niet bedoeld om de consument te beschermen. Iets waar de SEC en CFTC bijvoorbeeld wel heel hard mee bezig zijn, en op de juiste manier.
Ik snap nog altijd niet wat er ridicuul aan die inquiry was?

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II. TRADING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES
11.Describe your order types and process for matching bids and offers, including but not limited to how priority of orders is determined (e.g. first in-first out, order size, order type, etc.).
12.Describe whether and under what circumstances, if any, a customer can arrange or pay for a trade to receive priority over other trades.
13.Describe the method you use to determine the price(s) for exchanging Virtual Currency for Fiat Currency. Explain whether, and at what stage(s) of the transaction, your platform provides any assurance or “locks in” an execution price.
14.Identify the average time and range of times to execute a trade. If execution times vary by currency, order type, or trade type, explain and specify an average and a range for each.
15.Detail the policies, procedures, or technological measures you have in place, if any, concerning the use of “bots” or other forms of automated trading on your platform.
16.Describe any practices, procedures, safeguards, and monitoring your platform has in place to detect, prevent, block, or penalize suspicious trading activity or market manipulation, the types of customer behavior or trading activity that qualifies for such response, and when such measures came into effect.

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/file...stionnaire.pdf
Wat is er ridicuul aan die vragen?

En waar haal jij dat de motivatie ridicuul is? Ik snap zelfs niet dat er een speciale motivatie nodig is voor New York AG om gewoon zijn job te doen.
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Old 17-05-2018, 15:25   #2667   link
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Old 19-05-2018, 15:35   #2669   link
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Ik denk wel eerder dat al dat minen en de bijhorende kost op termijn eerder ineen gaat stuiken dan nog groeien. Tenzij er nog eens een boom in de prijs is.
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Are digital currencies ultimately capable of replacing traditional means of payment?

1. I will assume “digital currencies” here to mean decentralised cryptocurrencies, such as Bitcoin, and possibly centrally-controlled cryptocurrencies such as Ripple.

2. The problem with Bitcoin as a payment system is that it was never designed to be a good payment system, one that could outperform present digital payment systems – it was constructed as a political project, and political considerations overrode any concerns of efficiency.

3. The political aims of Bitcoin were as a project to advocate anarcho-capitalist and Austrian School economic ideals and a digital gold standard. The requirements were a system with strictly regulated issuance – rather than monetary policy – with Bitcoin’s creator, the pseudonymous “Satoshi Nakamoto,” explicitly comparing it to gold, and condemning the financial system and the fact that central banks can issue money without backing. The online subculture Bitcoin was created and nurtured in was explicit in its anarcho-capitalist politics, and it attracted many people of these leanings.

4. (The political history of Bitcoin’s origins is best documented in The Politics of Bitcoin: Software as Right-Wing Extremism (2016) by David Golumbia, a professor at Virginia Commonwealth University in the US.[1])

5. This means that Bitcoin was founded on political ideas that had already shown themselves to be inadequate to the function of a modern economy. This means it had a number of problems from the outset.

6. Nakamoto required decentralisation – that there was no central controlling body that any user of the system had to trust. The problem is that decentralised systems are vastly less efficient than centrally controlled ones. This is reflected in the stupendous waste of power involved in Bitcoin’s “proof of work” mining system, where it uses 0.1% of the world’s total electricity consumption, or an amount comparable to the entire Republic of Ireland.[2] This is to achieve a transaction rate of approximately 7 transactions per second, total worldwide across all of Bitcoin.

7. The purpose of decentralisation is to ensure that Bitcoin transactions are irreversible – so that no transaction may be censored, and no Bitcoins may be taken from someone without their cryptographic consent. This has the side-effect that the system is extremely brittle to errors and thefts, which cannot be reversed – if you make a mistake, you lose your Bitcoins; if someone hacks your Bitcoins, you can't get them back. Irreversibility is marketed to merchants as “no chargebacks” – but, while merchants dislike the possibility of chargebacks, they dislike more payment methods that customers won’t use; and customers overwhelmingly prefer electronic payment methods to have the possibility of chargebacks.

8. Deflation was explicitly designed into Bitcoin – Nakamoto put forward as a positive for Bitcoin that it would go up in price, with greater demand and use. This did indeed happen – although the price rise was from speculation – but the problem was that deflation disincentivises use of a currency; if your money is worth more tomorrow, you won’t spend it today. This was observed in practice – when merchants did add Bitcoin as a payment method, it mostly wasn’t used, as even Bitcoin advocates prefer to hold rather than spend, and the general public were not attracted to Bitcoins when they could use conventional currency over a channel that allowed chargebacks.

9. Bitcoin transactions were fast and free until mid-2015, when it hit capacity, and transactions suddenly went up in price and were subject to delays. By December 2017, the average fee for one Bitcoin transaction was $55. This shook off most of the remaining legitimate merchants.

10. The one successful merchant use case for Bitcoin was on black markets, and particularly the darknet drug markets. As well as the uncensorability of transactions, there was a widespread (if erroneous) perception that Bitcoin was anonymous. It is instructive to note that even the drug market doesn’t like using Bitcoin – apart from transactions being expensive and slow, the price of Bitcoin is sufficiently volatile, at 5%-10% a day, that a deal could be messed up by price changes by the time it finally went through. The darknet drug markets have increasingly moved to other cryptocurrencies.

11. Since Bitcoin was open source code, anyone could copy it to make their own cryptocurrency, and so there are thousands of Bitcoin copies, or “altcoins.” While these are usable as long as they don’t suffer a similar transaction clog, they have not solved the problems of a decentralised cryptocurrency. The second most popular cryptocurrency, Ethereum, is having intermittent transaction clogs similar to those that befell Bitcoin.

12. Bitcoin has also lost its decentralisation – since proof of work mining has economies of scale, the natural tendency is to recentralise. By early 2014, most mining had formed into a few large mining pools. Bitcoin is now mostly mined by four or five large pools. Altcoins tend to be even more centralised. Miners with a sufficient percentage of the mining power have the power to stop transactions going through – which affects the uncensorability of transactions.

13. ICOs, offering tokens marketed as private currency but in practice being objects of speculation, typically run on top of a decentralised blockchain platform such as Ethereum, but are centrally-controlled by the issuer. These are most usefully treated as securities or investment vehicles.

14. There is a great deal of work in computer science on mathematical constructs that can deliver the promises of Bitcoin – mostly decentralisation – without its problems with efficiency and transaction speed. So far none of these have delivered a robust working system fulfilling these promises – and many have been “six months away” for years. For the most part, their offerings in practice tend to be marketing their tokens, in the manner of ICOs.

15. Given all of this, Bitcoin-style decentralised currencies are unlikely to outdo conventional payment systems in the foreseeable future.

16. Centrally-administered currencies such as Ripple do not suffer Bitcoin’s inefficiencies or transaction speed problems, but (of course) are simply private payment systems that can be regulated appropriately. Similar systems are mooted for use in such proposals as central bank cryptocurrencies, e.g., distributing pounds sterling via a centrally-administered blockchain-like construct.

To what extent could digital currencies disrupt the economy and the workings of the public sector?

17. Bitcoin’s main use case was illegal payments – financial crimes and money laundering. This has the possibility of social disruption. This has mostly been dealt with by firm control over the gateways between cryptocurrencies and conventional currencies – Know Your Customer laws at the exchanges, and banks requiring detailed information from customers on the provenance of cash deposits.

What risks and benefits could digital currencies generate for consumers, businesses and governments?

18. It is important to note that all of Bitcoin’s promises have already failed in Bitcoin, and other cryptocurrencies will only fulfil these promises while they are little-used.

19. As such, the main consumer risk is that the space is rife with fraud, scams and criminals – as it is perceived as a get-rich scheme.

20. This also carries the risk of retail-level investors losing all their money in extremely questionable investments. I consider it misselling to allow cryptocurrency marketing as an investment to retail-level investors; it is a profoundly risky trading environment.

21. The main concerns with a central bank cryptocurrency are economics, rather than technology or fraud considerations – no more so than with any other form of cash, as it would be a different system for pounds as we know them.

22. Cryptocurrency and blockchain enterprises tend to make spectacular promises, claiming that work is underway that will give results in a matter of months or a few years. These almost never eventuate. The sector is notorious for its high hype-to-production ratio.

23. Blockchain marketing frequently puts forward future technological possibilities as if they are present-day systems you could buy off the shelf – the sector routinely confuses “could” and “is.” One IBM marketing brochure from 2016, Making Blockchain Ready for Business,[3] includes the following claims:

24. “an enterprise-class, cross-industry open standard for distributed ledgers that can transform the way business transactions are conducted globally”

25. “highly secure blockchain services and frameworks that address regulatory compliance across financial services, government, and healthcare”

26. Note how both of these are phrased as if the systems offering this functionality exist now. No blockchain-based systems doing all of these things at once exist in 2018, let alone in 2016. All technological claims made by blockchain marketers require close and detailed questioning as to whether the technology in question even exists in production form in present time.

How is distributed ledger technology being applied in the financial services sector, and how might it be applied in future?

27. The marketing of Bitcoin-related technologies to business started in earnest around late 2013 and early 2014 – and, because the word “Bitcoin” was tainted due to its associations with drug markets and its 2013 asset bubble, the technology was promoted using the word “blockchain.” This was further euphemised in its marketing to the term “distributed ledger technology” – a term which the earliest use I can find of is from 2013, referring specifically to Bitcoin.[4]

28. It is important to note here that at every stage, the thing being marketed is Bitcoin promises, such as decentralisation, censorship resistance, the unalterable transaction record, spectacular effects on social organisation and so forth. One would think from the words that “distributed ledger” could include shared Excel spreadsheets or Google Docs – but the term is used as a method of making outlandish-sounding Bitcoin promises without saying the word “Bitcoin”. This is even as those very promises had already failed in Bitcoin.

29. The useful aspect of Bitcoin is the blockchain data structure – an append-only ledger, made tamper-evident through cryptography. This is a construct known as a Merkle tree, first used in 1979, and widely used in computing since – nothing about it is new with Bitcoin.

30. An append-only ledger, that anyone can check the integrity of, is obviously useful; as such, we now see “blockchain” or “distributed ledger technology” used as marketing terms for such ledgers. Many of these are genuinely useful products – but, of course, a data structure does not produce the nigh-magical promises of Bitcoin. However, the spread of append-only ledgers – for those particular and specific applications in which they have a use case – is potentially good and useful.

31. A prominent example is Guardtime’s KSI Blockchain, the backbone of Estonia’s “blockchain” efforts, which is not a blockchain at all – the software was first created in 2007, and the name was changed to “blockchain” in 2012 as part of Guardtime’s marketing efforts, to great success. The power of the Bitcoin promises is such that KSI Blockchain is frequently put forward by advocates as good news for blockchains, and even good news for cryptocurrency – even though the software supplies only the tamper-evident timestamped data ledger.

How might the Government’s processes adapt should digital currencies be adopted more widely (e.g. tax implications, anti-money laundering measures)?


32. The currencies themselves are not useful payment systems, except for black market purposes. As such, present efforts to properly regulate the gateways to and from conventional currency are appropriate.

33. It would be appropriate to put into place strong consumer protection against misselling cryptocurrency enterprises as investments to retail-level investors. We presently see Tube advertisements for cryptocurrency exchanges – these should be banned as misselling, in the same manner as bans on Contracts for Difference, rolling spot forex, financial spread betting, binary options and similar financial instruments that are inappropriate for consumers and retail investors.

34. It is possible that the efforts at new computer science, to create systems that fulfil the promises of Bitcoin without its severe technical limitations, might succeed to some degree. In such a circumstance, a cryptocurrency might be adopted more widely. However, the economic problems with the lack of a central issuing bank would remain; thus, they may not be very functional as currencies. The problems with fraudsters in such new and ill-regulated areas of finance would be similar to those we observe presently in the cryptocurrency world.

Is the government striking the right balance between regulating digital currencies to provide adequate protection for consumers and businesses whilst not stifling innovation?

35. There needs to be more protection for retail investors against fraudulent schemes related to cryptocurrency.

36. The main innovations cryptocurrency enterprises offer are end-runs around regulation. While this can lead to useful innovation in finance, financial novelty is historically greatly attractive to fraudsters.

37. ICOs are much touted as a new method of enterprise fundraising with great possibilities. While I concur on the future possibilities of a hypothetical properly-regulated ICO sector, the problem at present is that almost all ICOs are functionally just highly manipulated and unregulated investment vehicles with near-fraudulent prospectuses. Fraud is rife in the sector.

38. Cryptocurrency exchanges are all but unregulated. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission in the US has noted previously that common market frauds – wash trading, spoofing, painting the tape and so forth – are qualitatively worse on cryptocurrency exchanges than on conventional regulated commodities, futures and securities exchanges:[5]

39. “Beyond their practical and speculative functions, the emergence of these nascent markets has also been negatively marked by a variety of retail customer harm that warrants the Commission’s attention, including, among other things, flash crashes and other market disruptions, delayed settlements, alleged spoofing, hacks, alleged internal theft, alleged manipulation, smart contract coding vulnerabilities, bucket shop arrangements and other conflicts of interest. These types of activities perpetrated by bad actors can inhibit market-enhancing innovation, undermine market integrity, and stunt further market development.”

Could regulation benefit digital currency start-ups by improving consumer trust?

40. This would be useful and appropriate. Innovation in finance is useful, but regulations exist for good reason, and particularly for consumers and retail investors.

How are governments and regulators in other countries approaching digital currencies and what lessons can the UK learn from overseas?

41. FinCEN in the US has so far supplied useful guidance on regulation of gateways to and from conventional currencies, which has been broadly adopted in other countries.[6]

42. The US Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission have taken a light touch with regulation so far – they have stated the rules that apply, increasingly so since mid-2017 and the crypto market bubble and boom in ICOs.[7] They have only recently moved to action, including administrative orders, fines and, in egregious cases, arrests. Many consider they should have acted sooner.

43. The New York State Attorney General’s Office has recently started an inquiry into cryptocurrency exchanges – asking for basic details such as their banking arrangements, compliance arrangements and how they deal with common modes of fraudulent trading.[8] This is information regulators should have, and it is concerning that they generally do not. Exchanges such as Coinbase/GDAX and Gemini – who both market themselves as regulated and trustworthy exchanges – have welcomed the inquiry, whereas Kraken (also US-based) has stated that the cryptocurrency sector does not want regulation, even to this level.

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Ga voor de eerste keer beginnen winst nemen op 1 van mijn langetermijn posities. ZRX maakt all time high na all time high, doet deugd na zo lang eraan vast houden
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