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Old 04-07-2018, 00:48   #2761   link
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Old 04-07-2018, 07:45   #2762   link
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BTC wordt al jaren met Asics gemined, ETH met GPU, dat terzijde
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Old 09-07-2018, 12:50   #2763   link
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Los van de inhoud: prijs per coin maakt geen reet uit, dat lijken er nog steeds veel niet te vatten precies
Zegt de man die speculeert op cryptocoin prijzen.

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Zegt de man die speculeert op cryptocoin prijzen.

Man, man, man.
Allez kerel, prijs per coin maakt toch geen hol uit? 0.001€ per token, als er 700 milliard van zijn <-> 1000€ per token voor iets waar er een miljoen van zijn.

Meer wil ik daarmee niet zeggen, dus eigenlijk fuck off gewoon

Ge gaat van mij geene bitcoin loon maken die beweert dat fiat waardes niet tellen, hoe hard ge ook probeert

Edit: artikel nog eens geopened en ze hebben het ge-edit. Mijn punt sloeg op het feit dat er een zin instond à la "xx currencies zijn nu minder dan een dollar waard"
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Old 13-08-2018, 14:33   #2765   link
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A number of software projects based on the distributed ledger technology will be wound down this year, according toForrester Research Inc. And some companies pushing ahead with pilot tests are scaling back their ambitions and timelines. In 90 percent of cases, the experiments will never become part of a company’s operations, the firm estimates.

Even Nasdaq Inc., a high-profile champion of blockchain and cryptocurrencies, hasn’t moved as quickly as hoped. The exchange operator, which talked in 2016 about deploying blockchain for voting in shareholder meetings and private-company stock issuance, isn’t using the technology in any widely deployed projects yet.

“The expectation was we’d quickly find use cases,” Magnus Haglind, Nasdaq’s senior vice president and head of product management for market technology, said in an interview. “But introducing new technologies requires broad collaboration with industry participants, and it all takes time.”

Blockchain is designed to provide a tamper-proof digital ledger -- a groundbreaking means of tracking products, payments and customers. But the much-ballyhooed technology has proven difficult to adopt in real-life situations. As companies try to ramp up projects across their businesses, they’re hitting problems with performance, oversight and operations.

“The disconnect between the hype and the reality is significant -- I’ve never seen anything like it,” said Rajesh Kandaswamy, an analyst at Gartner Inc. “In terms of actual production use, it’s very rare.”

That could be bad news for makers of blockchain software and services, which include International Business Machines Corp. and Microsoft Corp. They’re aiming to make billions on cloud services that help run supply chains, send and receive payments, and interact with customers. Now their projections -- and investors’ expectations -- may need to be tempered.

“Blockchain is supposed to be an important future revenue stream for IBM, Microsoft and others in equipment sales, cloud services and consulting,” said Roger Kay, president of Endpoint Technologies Associates. “If it materializes more slowly, analysts will have to make downward revisions.”

IBM, which has more than 1,500 employees working on blockchain, said it’s still seeing strong demand. But growing competition could affect how much it can charge clients, according to Jerry Cuomo, vice president of blockchain technologies at IBM.

Microsoft also remains upbeat. “We see tremendous momentum and progress in the enterprise blockchain marketplace,” the company said in a statement. “We remain committed to developing cutting-edge technology and working side-by-side with industry leaders to ensure business of all types realize this value.”

So far, IBM and Microsoft have grabbed 51 percent of the more than $700 million market for blockchain products and services, WinterGreen Research Inc. estimated earlier this year.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ffers-slowdown
Bijna tien jaar na datum quasi nog altijd geen use cases.
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In other words, cryptocurrency enthusiasts are effectively celebrating the use of cutting-edge technology to set the monetary system back 300 years. Why would you want to do that? What problem does it solve? I have yet to see a clear answer to that question.

Bear in mind that conventional money generally does its job quite well. Transaction costs are low. The purchasing power of a dollar a year from now is highly predictable – orders of magnitude more predictable than that of a Bitcoin. Using a bank account means trusting a bank, but by and large banks justify that trust, far more so than the firms that hold cryptocurrency tokens. So why change to a form of money that works far less well?

Indeed, eight years after Bitcoin was launched, cryptocurrencies have made very few inroads into actual commerce. A few firms will accept them as payment, but my sense is that this is more about signaling — look at me, I’m cutting-edge! — than about real usefulness. Crypocurrencies have a large market valuation, but they’re overwhelmingly being held as a speculative play, not because they’re useful as mediums of exchange

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Cryptocurrencies, by contrast, have no backstop, no tether to reality. Their value depends entirely on self-fulfilling expectations — which means that total collapse is a real possibility. If speculators were to have a collective moment of doubt, suddenly fearing that Bitcoins were worthless, well, Bitcoins would become worthless.

Will that happen? I think it’s more likely than not, partly because of the gap between the messianic rhetoric of crypto and the much more mundane real possibilities. That is, there might be a potential equilibrium in which Bitcoin (although probably not other cryptocurrencies) remain in use mainly for black market transactions and tax evasion, but that equilibrium, if it exists, would be hard to get to from here: once the dream of a blockchained future dies, the disappointment will probably collapse the whole thing.

So that’s why I’m a crypto skeptic. Could I be wrong? Of course. But if you want to argue that I’m wrong, please answer the question, what problem does cryptocurrency solve? Don’t just try to shout down the skeptics with a mixture of technobabble and libertarian derp.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/o...o-skeptic.html
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On Tuesday, a futures trader amassed an “unusually” large futures stake worth about $416.9 million using both cash and leverage, betting on the rise of Bitcoin. But soon after, the value of the cryptocurrency fell below what the exchange considered safe, triggering OKEx’s automatic liquidation function on the user’s position. As a result, the trader was unable to repay the full extent of what he, she, or they had borrowed.

It’s well known that betting on margin is risky. And while OKEx appeared aware of that, it was unprepared for the magnitude of the loss. On Friday, OKEx revealed that it had added 2,500 Bitcoins, or $18.5 million worth, to its insurance fund. But that alone would not be enough to cover the shortfall.

As for the rest, the exchange plans to clawback from the position’s counterparties on the platform—or those who were set to make a winning from the unnamed client’s losses. It plans specifically to gather the funding from users who made a net profit across the contracts the unnamed client had bet on.

About 1,200 Bitcoins, worth $8.8 million as of Friday, were socialized among those who profited across those contracts. That represented a 17.7% clawback on for each of the traders.

“We will take a portion of the profit in equal percentage from all profited traders only to cover the difference between the liquidated price and settled price,” OKEx representatives wrote in a Friday post.

http://fortune.com/2018/08/03/okex-l...unter-parties/
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Dozens of trading groups are manipulating the price of cryptocurrencies on some of the largest online exchanges, generating at least $825 million in trading activity over the past six months—and hundreds of millions in losses for those caught on the wrong side, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.
In a review of trading data and online communications among traders between January and the end of July, the Journal identified 175 “pump and dump” schemes involving 121 different digital coins, which show a sudden rise in price and an equally sudden fall minutes later.

A pump-and-dump scheme is one of the oldest types of market fraud: Traders talk up the price of an asset before dumping it for a profit and leaving fooled investors with shrunken shares. The Securities and Exchange Commission regularly brings civil cases alleging pump and dumps using publicly traded stocks, but it has yet to bring a case in the more opaque market of digital currencies. The SEC declined to comment.
“Cryptocurrency exchanges are unregulated markets, so the kind of market manipulation banned on, say, the New York Stock Exchange can essentially be carried out with impunity,” said Ben Yates, a cryptocurrency lawyer at London-based RPC.

The boiler rooms of yore have an online analog in the “pump group,” a chatroom where coin traders gather. The biggest of the dozens the Journal analyzed is Big Pump Signal, with more than 74,000 followers on the messaging app Telegram. It is also the most prolific: After launching its chatroom on Telegram in late December after reaching capacity on another messaging app, Discord, the group promoted 26 pump operations that saw $222 million in trades.

Many more such groups exist, potentially adding millions or tens of millions more in activity, the Journal found, but operate in private chat rooms, accessible only by invitation, generally overseen by a anonymous moderator.

These schemes became more pervasive following the recent explosion in initial coin offerings—the securities-like digital tokens sold by startups to fundraise for projects. ICOs pulled in about $20 billion over the past 18 months, up from the $300 million raised between 2014 and 2016, according to research site CoinDesk.
Big Pump Signal’s strategy is straightforward, like others pumping coins: announce a date, time and exchange for a pump; at the set time, announce, or “signal,” the coin being pumped, let the traders create a buying frenzy, and then quickly sell. It can all happen in minutes, and successful traders publicly gloat about their profits.
One day in early July, for instance, Big Pump Signal commanded its many followers to start buying an obscure coin created for untraceable transactions called cloakcoin—at exactly 3 p.m. EDT on a South Korea-based exchange called Binance. “@everyone be sure to ride the waves!” urged the anonymous moderator of the group’s Telegram channel.

The buying mania was immediate: the price of cloakcoin jumped 50% to $5.77 on the exchange before plummeting almost a dollar after two minutes. In total, 6,700 trades worth $1.7 million were executed—compared with virtually no trading the hour before.
Similar practices were outlawed in the 1930s when groups of traders bought and sold stock among themselves to inflate the price before unloading it on the public. Nonetheless, pump and dumps proliferated during the dot-com boom, pushed by “boiler room” brokerages like the notorious Stratton Oakmont, founded by “Wolf of Wall Street” Jordan Belfort. In 1999, Mr. Belfort pleaded guilty to charges of securities fraud for running pump-and-dumps affecting 34 companies and costing investors more than $200 million in losses.
The exact number of pump groups involved in crypto price manipulation couldn’t be determined, but the Journal found 63 actively pushing different pump schemes. The groups have names that don’t hide their purpose, such as Orion Pump, MEGA Pump and A+ Signals. Most operate on Telegram and Discord, where collectively they had 236,000 followers at the end of June.

Like the other active groups, the Big Pump Signal operation is a mystery: the moderator is anonymous; the ownership of an associated website is cloaked; and attempts at contacting the moderator were unsuccessful.

Many of the groups the Journal identified charge monthly fees ranging from $50 to $250 or require members to evangelize the service for access to trading information. One operation, Cosmic Trading, advertises training and publishes other groups’ pump signals, for a fee.

In a message, the group’s administrator on Discord said Cosmic Trading “is a publishing company” that is “strongly against pump and dump.”

It isn’t known how much the pumpers profit, as exchanges don’t publish investor histories. But the operators have an advantage in selecting the coin, buying at the bottom and selling it at whatever peak they decide.

https://archive.is/20180805135826/ht...rate-big-coin/
Zouden er ook Shrimpers zijn die in zo'n pump en dump groepen zitten en daarna hier het evangelie van de Bitcoin komen verkondigen?
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Old 13-08-2018, 15:00   #2766   link
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Old 13-08-2018, 18:35   #2767   link
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Tis hier anders wel maar stilletjes met ETH < $300
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Old 13-08-2018, 19:10   #2768   link
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Tis hier anders wel maar stilletjes met ETH < $300
Nog altijd vollenbak bezig hier, maar mijn goesting is over om tegen Peep te "discussiëren", wordt er toch te nerveus van
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Old 13-08-2018, 19:11   #2769   link
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kvolg het niet meer, heb mijn originele insteek + ewa winst (die paar flessen whisky en gin waar ik het 2 maanden geleden over gehad) er uit kunnen halen. gg no re

ik laat het geen wat ik nu nog heb staan gewoon staan

wie weet kan ik nog eens opportunistisch zijn binnen een paar maanden. of jaar. of nie, who cares
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Old 13-08-2018, 22:38   #2770   link
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Nog altijd vollenbak bezig hier, maar mijn goesting is over om tegen Peep te "discussiëren", wordt er toch te nerveus van
En lukket ewa? Zou straf zijn om in deze markt nog geld te kunnen scheppen. (Ik niet )
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Old 14-08-2018, 09:46   #2771   link
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Ik blijf er tegenwoordig af, geen tijd/zin om constant te traden en zit aan half m'n (kleine) inleg van destijds.
Zien wel als het nog es stijgt
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Old 14-08-2018, 10:15   #2772   link
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Old 14-08-2018, 12:30   #2773   link
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En lukket ewa? Zou straf zijn om in deze markt nog geld te kunnen scheppen. (Ik niet )
Heb een enorm mooie zaak gedaan met ZRX vlak voor shit really hit the fan, en daar ook deel van in fiat omgezet. Dat was dus in retrospect een geniale zet.

Nu vooral damage control en blijven focussen op eth stack te vergroten. Doe dus enkel trades op Alt/ETH pairs en dat lukt vrij goed (hoewel EUR waarde portfolio natuurlijk mee daalt met onderliggende ETH).

Gemiddelde kost per ETH ligt dus zeer laag intussen, en bij elke stijging geeft dat dus mooie resultaten. Ben wel veel gematigder geworden in trades en beginnen risk management strikt toepassen, wat ik vroeger totaal niet deed

Edit: en geen margin meer, was de stress niet waard
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Nu vooral damage control en blijven focussen op eth stack te vergroten. Doe dus enkel trades op Alt/ETH pairs en dat lukt vrij goed (hoewel EUR waarde portfolio natuurlijk mee daalt met onderliggende ETH).

Gemiddelde kost per ETH ligt dus zeer laag intussen, en bij elke stijging geeft dat dus mooie resultaten.
Maar als ge Ethereum bij koopt terwijl de prijs daalt, dan verlies je toch geld? Of begrijp ik je verkeerd? Of bedoel je dat je periodiek terug verkoopt telkens de prijs wat stijgt?
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wtf peep

geen verwijten of quotes en zelf een vraag

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Old 16-08-2018, 16:19   #2777   link
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Tis hier anders wel maar stilletjes met ETH < $300
tis wenen, maar vooral omdat mijn e-piemeltje nu op vriestemperatuur zit. Ik blijf vertrouwen in wat komt.
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Maar als ge Ethereum bij koopt terwijl de prijs daalt, dan verlies je toch geld? Of begrijp ik je verkeerd? Of bedoel je dat je periodiek terug verkoopt telkens de prijs wat stijgt?
Dat deed ik op het einde ook zo, dan kan je 10% of meer halen op een dag.


Maar het kan ook opeens dik tegenvallen
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Centralization is not only possible now, it's economical, it's practical, it's controlable, it's governable, it's economies of scalable, it's reliable, it's walled gardenable, it's monetizable, it's affordable, it's performance tunable, it's scalable, it's cacheable, it's securable, it's defensible, it's brandable, it's ownable, it's right to be forgetable, it's fast releasable, it's debuggable, it's auditable, it's iterable, it's easier to usable, it's easier to onboardable, it's copyright checkable, it's GDPRable, it's safe for China searchable, it's machine learnable, it's monitorable, it's spam filterable, it's value addable.

Depending on your point of view, decentralization is few of those things. And many of those "features" are exactly why we like decentralization in the first place.

What's more, consumers simply do not care. Users use. Only a small percentage have the technical sophistication to understand why they may want to preferentially use decentralized applications for technical reasons. Saying "It's like X, but decentralized", does not resonate, especially when the services are not as good. We had decentralized Slack way before Slack...yet there's Slack. You know it's bad when GitHub managed to recentralize an inherently distributed system like git.

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