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Old 27-02-2014, 17:21   #741   link
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Ik dacht dat de gedachte was dat als je je Bitcoin-kont verbrandt, dat je maar je op de Bitcoin-blaren moest zitten?
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Old 27-02-2014, 17:27   #742   link
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Old 27-02-2014, 17:29   #743   link
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Old 27-02-2014, 17:36   #744   link
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Lol, bavo is 1500 euro kwijt (daar gaat Mauro zijn spaarpot )
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Old 27-02-2014, 17:37   #745   link
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Old 27-02-2014, 17:40   #746   link
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Lol, bavo is 1500 euro kwijt (daar gaat Mauro zijn spaarpot )
Staat Bitcoin terug aan 1100 euro? Shit zeg
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Old 27-02-2014, 17:41   #747   link
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Door de gokverslaving van zijn vader. Die nu ook de stap verder naar "de beurs" heeft gezet

edit: en ik ging ervan uit dat ge aan 900 ofzo had gekocht, en ik kan niet rekenen
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Old 27-02-2014, 17:52   #748   link
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Hey yo CSM vriend! Gij kunt nog al eens informatie zoeken he, waar dat het allemaal te vinden is enzo.

Hebt ge een idee wat er gebeurt met gebruikers die 1.4 BTC hadden op een MTGox Wallet? Wat moeten die kleine gebruikers verwachten na het recente debacle? Is het volledig weg, of zijn er nog mechanismen die er voor zorgen dat schuldeisers in een zekere volgorde worden uitbetaald? Wat met de bedrijfsleiders die dit hebben veroorzaakt, worden ze verantwoordelijk gehouden en treedt er iets op als en curator?
Tot zover we weten, schieten nog 2000 van de 744 408 Bitcoins op Mt. Gox over:



Dus bij een eerlijke verdeling zoudt ge 0,00376137816896110734973294215 BTC moeten krijgen. Maar Bitcoin is maar deelbaar tot 0.00000001, dus 't zal 0,00376138 BTC worden.

Aan de huidige prijzen toch een goeie 1,62 euro waard!
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Old 27-02-2014, 18:05   #749   link
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Mark Karpales van Mt. Gox was met de hoed in de hand naar andere Bitcoin websites getrokken om nederig te vragen om hun Bitcoins in zijn bodemloze put te steken. Blijkt toch wel dat het een slecht idee is om naar uw concurrenten te gaan met de melding dat ge bankroet zijt zeker!
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A source claims that the same junior staffer who published the business plan document also attended an alleged emergency investor meeting just one day after the “Crisis Strategy Draft” was created. According to that source, it was at this meeting in which Karpeles and colleague Gonzague Gay-Bouchery first outlined the extent of Mt. Gox’s losses.

This meeting triggered a chain reaction of events in which the solicited investors rebuffed Karpeles and his colleagues, demanded they come clean to customers and stakeholders immediately, and then notified other industry executives, including those at the Bitcoin Foundation, of the catastrophic losses at Mt. Gox. This group of executives promptly reached out to regulatory authorities and began crafting a joint statement condemning Mt. Gox.

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The Bitcoin Foundation, an advocacy group for the nascent digital currency, provided information to federal prosecutors this week that helped spur a probe into Mt. Gox, a shuttered exchange in Tokyo.

“The Bitcoin Foundation proactively reached out to the Southern District of New York to offer assistance,” the foundation said in an e-mailed statement. “We are continuing to help them and we are cooperating fully with their investigation.”

Shortly after Mt. Gox’s chief executive officer, Mark Karpeles, resigned from the foundation’s board on Feb. 24, the organization provided the Manhattan U.S. Attorney’s office with documents described as detailing the theft of as much as $400 million from the exchange, according to two people familiar with the effort. The people requested anonymity because the communications were private.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are probing possible criminal violations tied to the shutdown of Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, two other people familiar with the matter said. Bharara requested that Mt. Gox preserve documents as part of the probe, one of the people said.

Bharara’s office also requested information from the foundation as well as companies that have done business with Mt. Gox, said one of the people briefed on the foundation’s contacts with prosecutors. The foundation and the companies are not targets of the investigation, the person said.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloom...or-5271082.php
Soit, er is ergens nog de kans dat Mt. Gox een hoop geld heeft gemaakt door Bitcoins op zijn eigen site aan te kopen en ze aan een veel hogere prijs op andere sites door te verkopen. Alleszins dat was het plan:
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Mt. Gox has allegedly never conducted a single audit of its customer deposits, and it is believed that Karpeles may have been the only one within the company to have knowledge of how to actually tap the exchange’s cold storage. It remains unclear exactly how this type of storage leak could have happened over a multi-year period without any knowledge on the part of the executives at Mt. Gox.

As a result of Karpeles’ apparent “Wizard of Oz” status within the organization, it also appears unlikely that the true technical cause of the leak will be fully understood until the embattled CEO speaks. Whether that will happen during an interview or a possible criminal case is unclear.

The latter seems likely, however, as one source believes that Karpeles knew about the pervasive damage of the transaction malleability attacks for several weeks and was engaging in an arbitrage scheme that leveraged the depressed Mt. Gox price to reap gains on other exchanges. This was allegedly happening well before the exchange’s breaking point this past weekend.

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Old 27-02-2014, 18:08   #750   link
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2000 BTC die niet aan iemand toegewezen was, is dat. De klantenaccounts hadden 624.000 BTC, waarvan er mogelijk een deel verduisterd is via malleability, maar allemaal lijkt behoorlijk onwaarschijnlijk. Ze bekijken het enkel als liability omdat het uitstaande schuld is, niet omdat het verdwenen is.

AFAIK
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Old 27-02-2014, 18:10   #751   link
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Euh, nee:

"At this point 744,408 BTC are missing due to malleability-related theft which went unnoticed for several years. The cold storage has been wiped out due to a leak in the hot wallet."

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Old 27-02-2014, 18:13   #752   link
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Trouwens, Bavo. De Bitcoin community heeft tips om met het vrouwtje om te gaan:
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[–]baconslammer 84 points 9 hours ago*
About 14 coins. And it happens to be the last 14 coins my wife will ever let me invest in bitcoin. She wants nothing to do with it now. Not for investing, not for spending -- nothing. And it's a damned shame.

I love how all the other bitcoin companies got together to say that their money was safe. Did they think that would help people like me? Do they think my wife cares?

I love this community - I've been an evangelist since the early days - but no amount of guarantees or proof of solvency is ever going to win her trust back. And it kills me - because I know I'm not the only one who will be affected in this way.

Edit: let me reiterate that this is my fault, not MtGox's.

[–]Synchronauto 2 points 9 hours ago
Can't you mine some coins on the sly? Anyway sorry for your loss. +/u/dogetipbot 14 doge

[–]rayne117 3 points 5 hours ago
His wife is stupid if she let's this affect anything.

[–]Blalubb 1 point 8 minutes ago
You are one pussywhipped idiot if you let your wife decide for you.

[–]Taidiji 0 points 3 hours ago
grow a pair of balls

[–]AmericanHistoryekins 1 points 2 hours ago
Why does your wife dictate what you can and can't do? Be happy that you didn't lose a large amount like others in this thread.

[–]Brambleshire 3 points 6 hours ago
Is this what marriage is like? Your wife decides how you spend your own money?

[–]pemdaspasta 15 points 9 hours ago
You should grow a spine and consider a new wife who thinks with logic. Being controlled by someone who does it reactively from emotion is a form of abuse.

[–] -xyz 5 points 5 hours ago
Be the leader of your marriage, sir. If it's money you have earned, it's yours to do with as you see fit to benefit your family. Take on-board constructive criticism if you will, but you need to have the final say, otherwise things are not healthy. It's amusing that people think you being controlled is how you keep a healthy relationship. That's my 2 BTC, just needed to be an alternate voice so you don't keep getting kicked around while you're down. Lead, dammit. Always.

[–] baconslammer 4 points 3 hours ago
Ah, I suppose I left out a critical detail -- it is my wife's money.


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Old 27-02-2014, 18:13   #753   link
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Dus over jaren is dat aan het lekken en gaan dievcen aan de haal met de kluis? En niemand 'wist' dat. Dat zou behoorlijk onhandig zijn, ware het niet dat de leiding waarschijnlijk zelf misdadig was.
Is er dan een spoor waarheen al dat geld is gegaan? We spreken hier van 700 miljoen dollar

Je moet niet inzitten over mijn financiën, als het geld weg is verlies ik 500 euro effectief aan cryptocurrencies. Maar dat is elders al goedgemaakt ondertussen. Dank
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Old 27-02-2014, 18:18   #754   link
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Dus over jaren is dat aan het lekken en gaan dievcen aan de haal met de kluis? En niemand 'wist' dat. Dat zou behoorlijk onhandig zijn, ware het niet dat de leiding waarschijnlijk zelf misdadig was.
Dit vond ik een plausibele uitleg:
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Yeah so basically this is the whole transaction malleability thing, every time someone made use of it, Gox's own ledger would have said "oh, that transaction never happened, zero it out and then re-do the withdrawal" but in actuality the transaction did happen. So there would have been a growing discrepancy between the actual amounts of bitcoin Gox had according to the blockchain, and the amount their ledger told them they had.

Apparently they failed to notice this for months and months.

My guess is that various people lower on the food chain at Gox did notice this, but everyone working there works under the assumption that everyone else is robbing the place blind (and is doing the same themselves), so they chalked the difference up to embezzlement.

So you wind up with Karpeles standing in front of his business partners all red in the face going "no for reals guys, I really didn't just take all the bitcoins" and finally they're like "OK, okay, suppose for a second we pretend like we believe that, then where are they?" and he's like "I dunno lets' go look in the ledger" and finally some low-level guy at Gox points out what he's been seeing for months and they all smack themselves in the foreheads.

That's my fantasy. The reality is probably just that they didn't notice through sheer incompetence all around. We've seen how well their trading platform worked all along, which is to say, terribly.
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Is er dan een spoor waarheen al dat geld is gegaan? We spreken hier van 700 miljoen dollar
Sorry, Bitcoin is anoniem.
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Old 27-02-2014, 18:23   #755   link
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Dqt is het punt waar ik even niet versta waarom mijn geld erdoor zou weg zijn. Zij beheerden mijn private key, maar voor de rest stond er weldegelijk echte BTC op. En die staat er nog steeds aangezien niemand met mijn key kuren heeft uitgestoken. Dus zit dat nog steeds in de blockchain als valide.
En dus kunnen ze mij dat gewoon mooi terug geven, niet?

Het is niet alsof ze er garant voor moeten staan, het bestaat al.
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Old 27-02-2014, 18:34   #756   link
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Zij beheren niet uw private key, jij hebt ofwel bitcoins overgemaakt naar een deposit adres waarvan enkel zij de private key hebben, ofwel EUR/USD overgemaakt en daarmee bitcoins gekocht die zij in bewaring hebben op een van hun adressen (een deposit adres van een andere user die bitcoin wou verkopen).
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Old 27-02-2014, 18:35   #757   link
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Uw Bitcoins zijn in de grote pot gesmeten en iemand is met die pot gaan lopen.

Geleidelijk aan, welteverstaan:

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Old 27-02-2014, 18:36   #758   link
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Old 27-02-2014, 18:41   #759   link
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Maar ze hebben je BTC meegegeven met een ander.
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Old 27-02-2014, 18:51   #760   link
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