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Old 17-07-2020, 10:45   #61   link
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alleen op shrimp kunt ge een thread starten over een genocide dat, na de onvermijdelijke djb vs ran zever, eindigt met mensen die per-se willen nadrukken dat een communistisch regime dat in het midden van die culturele genocide zit ook wel goeie zaken heeft gedaan de laatste jaren

in de meeste discussies is't volledig plat maar nu is men plots volledig genuanceerd, nu het voor één keer eens niet gepast is. k dan
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alleen op shrimp kunt ge een thread starten over een genocide dat, na de onvermijdelijke djb vs ran zever, eindigt met mensen die per-se willen nadrukken dat een communistisch regime dat in het midden van die culturele genocide zit ook wel goeie zaken heeft gedaan de laatste jaren
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organen oogsten in china, vooral uitgevoerd op oeigoeren en de falun gong, boeddhisten

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b) pdf van bevinden door de china tribunal

https://chinatribunal.com/wp-content...a-Tribunal.pdf

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These individual conclusions, when combined, led to the unavoidable final conclusion that;
Forced organ harvesting has been committed for years throughout China on a significant scale and that Falun Gong practitioners have been one -and probably the main - source of organ supply. The concerted persecution and medical testing of the Uyghurs is more recent and it may be that evidence of forced organ harvesting of this group may emerge in due course. The Tribunal has had no evidence that the significant infrastructure associated with China’s transplantation industry has been dismantled and absent a satisfactory explanation as to the source of readily available organs concludes that forced organ harvesting continues till today.
in de pdf (is van 2018) staat ook dat ze legaal gezien niet volledig kunnen bewijzen dat een genocide aan de gang is maar dat ze toen ook al zeer dringend een onafhankelijk onderzoek wou. het geweld tegen beide is ondertussen ook al verder geëscaleerd en de kampen zijn in full swing. laatste alinea zegt

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Governments and any who interact in any substantial way with the PRC, including:

• Doctors and medical institutions;
• Industry, and businesses, most specifically airlines, travel companies,
financial services businesses, law firms and pharmaceutical and insurance
companies together with individual tourists,
• Educational establishments;
• Arts establishments

should now recognize that they are, to the extent revealed above, interacting with a criminal state.
c) de saudi's, een ander smerig regime zit er natuurlijk ook tussen

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3862578

d) een uitgebreid artikel over de conclusie van b) en ook nog meer verklaringen van slachtoffers

https://quillette.com/2020/01/03/blo...f-the-century/

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In their arrogance, the Chinese authorities do not expect serious condemnation. In fact, they are now expanding the project. Human rights investigator Ethan Gutmann provided evidence to the Tribunal in December 2018, stating that “over the last 18 months, literally every Uyghur man, woman, and child – about 15 million people – have been blood and DNA tested, and that blood testing is compatible with tissue matching.”

All Falun Gong practitioners appearing as witnesses before the Tribunal were also able to describe the torture they suffered in detention. While none of these testimonies could be independently verified (for obvious reasons), the level of detail was striking, as were the similarities in the accounts. Prisoners were stripped, beaten, and kept awake for as much as 20 days at a time. Electric batons were used as a matter of course.15 The Final Judgement and Summary Report includes a vivid description of the ordeal of practitioner Jintao Liu: “They shoved faeces into his mouth. They forced a toilet brush handle into his anus. They pushed the handle so hard that he couldn’t defecate… They woke him at night by pouring cold water on him, or by piercing his skin with needles.”16 Women were given pills that stopped their menstrual cycles and caused disorientation, and many of them suffered mental breakdowns.17 Rape was routine: the prisoner Yin Liping told the Tribunal that she was locked in a room with more than forty men of unknown identity in the Masanjia Labour Camp on 19 April 2001, and raped by all of them.18

Incredibly, the Final Judgement has received minimal press coverage, despite the magnitude of the crimes described and the prestige of the Tribunal’s panel. The chair was Sir Geoffrey Nice QC, a barrister for forty-eight years and a judge for thirty-four. This was the man who led the prosecution of Serbian president Slobodan Milošević at the United Nations’ International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. The panel also included human rights lawyers from the United States, Iran, and Malaysia, and a thoracic transplant specialist of several decades’ standing.
de falun gong lijken "meer" het slachtoffer te zijn van deze specifieke praktijk maar in het totale beeld van de oeigoeren is dit maar de zoveelste misdaad in hun lot dat ze hebben moeten incasseren
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The internal workings of a vast chain of Chinese internment camps used to detain at least a million people from the nation’s Muslim minorities are laid out in leaked Communist Party documents published on Sunday. The China Cables, a cache of classified government papers, appear to provide the first official glimpse into the structure, daily life and ideological framework behind centres in north-western Xinjiang region that have provoked international condemnation.

Obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and shared with the Guardian, the BBC and 15 other media partners, the documents have been independently assessed by experts who have concluded they are authentic. China said they had been “fabricated”. However, the documents are consistent with mounting evidence that the country runs detention camps that are secret, involuntary and used for ideological “education transformation”.

When reports surfaced of mass internments without trial, authorities in Beijing initially denied the existence of the detention centres, whose inmates are mostly Uighurs and other ethnic minorities. After satellite photos and a flood of testimony from former detainees and relatives became impossible to ignore, the party insisted they were for voluntary “vocational training”.

The cables provide apparent confirmation from within China’s bureaucracy that the camps were envisaged from the start as brainwashing detention centres, to be constructed on a massive scale, with inmates confined by multiple layers of security. The cache includes a 2017 order, or “telegram”, detailing how the camps in Xinjiang should be built and run.

Signed in the name of Zhu Hailun, the top security official and deputy Communist party chief in Xinjiang, it sets out how the centres were designed to expose detainees to a period of enforced indoctrination.
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• Camps must adhere to a strict system of total physical and mental control, with multiple layers of locks on dormitories, corridors, floors and buildings. Fences should be put around each building, and walls around the compound. A dedicated police station must be at the front gate, all monitored by security guards in watchtowers.

• Inmates could be held indefinitely – but must serve at least a year in the camps before they can even be considered for “completion”, or release.

• The camps are to be run on a points system. Inmates earn credits for “ideological transformation”, “compliance with discipline” and “study and training”.

• Even after completing their “education transformation” inmates are not allowed to go free. They move into another tier of camps, where they face a further three- to six-months’ internment for “labour skills training”.

• Weekly phone calls and a monthly video call with relatives are their only contact with the outside world, and they can be suspended as punishment.

• “Preventing escape” is a top priority. The order demands round-the-clock video surveillance “with no blind spots” to monitor every moment of an inmates’ day. Control of every aspect of their lives is so comprehensive that they have to be assigned a specific place not only in dormitories and classrooms, but even in the lunchtime queue.
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There have been multiple accounts by people who passed through camps of torture, rape and abuse. In an apparent sign of concern about the consequences of mistreatment, Zhu’s order instructs staff to “never allow abnormal deaths”. Many details match accounts given by former camp inmates. They also provide striking new insights – among them the minimum 12-month term of confinement, and the fact that there are two tiers of camps. The first seems focused on ideology and Mandarin-language skills; those approved to leave face another three to six months of “labour skills training” in a second detention centre.

The telegram, written in Chinese, is an operations manual for running the mass detention camps. It is marked ‘secret’ and was approved by Zhu Hailun, then deputy secretary of Xinjiang’s Communist party and the region’s top security official

There have been multiple credible reports of forced labour in Xinjiang, as part of the government camp system. Some of those who “complete” the re-education systems might be forced to work in these second tier of camps. The order also suggests former detainees remain under surveillance even after release, with local security and judicial officials told that “students should not leave the line of sight for one year”. Chinese authorities deny they run detention centres and say the “vocational education and training centres” are part of a focused crackdown on extremism and terrorism.

In 2009, nearly 200 people, most of them Han Chinese, died during riots in the regional capital, Urumqi. Dozens more were then killed and hundreds injured in a series of terror attacks in cities across Xinjiang and beyond. Uighurs have also fought with extremist militant groups abroad, including joining Isis in Iraq.

The document makes clear that as the internment camps went up, authorities were already worried about the scale of their incarceration programme becoming known, even inside Chinese official hierarchies. The document demands “strict secrecy”, and in addition to a predictable ban on videos and cameras, staff are also ordered not to aggregate important data, preventing even those inside the system from understanding its full extent.

“The work policy of the vocational skills education and training centres are strong and highly sensitive,” the order says. “It is necessary to strengthen the staff’s awareness of staying secret, serious political discipline and secrecy discipline.”

In addition to the order about the camps, the cache includes four “bulletins” that offer a rare insight into the scale of the crackdown and the digital dragnet that powers it. The bulletins were sent out to update officials and guide their use of the Integrated Joint Operations Platform (IJOP), the heart of the surveillance system.

They say that in one single week in June 2017, the system flagged up more than 24,000 “suspicious persons” in the four southern districts of Xinjiang alone. Two-thirds of them were detained, with more than 15,600 sent into the re-education camps and 706 sent to jail. A further 2,096 people were put under surveillance and 5,508 were “temporarily unable to be detained” – suggesting they were destined for camps in future.

One of the bulletins discusses screening 1.9 million Xinjiang users of a file-sharing app. More than 40,000 of the people who used it were considered suspicious or had been labelled potentially “harmful”. A separate document is a Uighur-language transcript of a trial, not classified but extremely unusual in a region where secrecy means court documents are rarely publicly available.

Together they provide insights into the construction and operation of a comprehensive government campaign that has led to the largest mass internment of an ethnic-religious minority since the second world war, targeting the Uighur minority, along with other mostly Muslim ethnic groups. Chinese authorities have split up families, targeted the Uighur language and culture for suppression, razed cultural and historic sites and criticised even mild expression of Muslim identity, micromanaging everything from beard length to babies’ names. Critics say the campaign apparently aims to obliterate Uighur heritage, society and cultural and religious identity.

“The purpose [of the camp network] was to try to indoctrinate and change an entire population by channeling them through this dedicated system,” said Adrian Zenz, a leading researcher into the Xinjiang internment camps, who is senior fellow in China studies at the victims of communism foundation.
Zenz, who has reviewed the documents, described them as “a very important confirmation” of the nature of the system. “[The Chinese government] has been dishonest about the fact that these people are not voluntarily there, they’re forced to be there,” he added.

The order about the camps, and the security bulletins, are classified “secret”, the middle of China’s three levels of classification. Experts verified their language, formatting and contents.

“Chinese classified documents have a very particular structure. And these documents adhere 100% to all of the classified document templates that I’ve ever seen,” said James Mulvenon, an expert in the verification of Chinese government documents who serves as the director of intelligence integration at SOS International.

“From my professional expertise, these documents are very authentic,” he said, adding that their labelling as ji mi, or secret, meant this was more than routine government secrecy. “These are serious classified documents.”

China’s embassy in London said in a statement “the so called leaked documents are pure fabrication and fake news”, and added: “There are no such documents or orders for the so-called ‘detention camps’. Vocational education and training centres have been established for the prevention of terrorism.”

It also said that “trainees could go home regularly”, including to care for children, and that “religious freedom is fully respected in Xinjiang”. The full statement can be found here.
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Old 17-07-2020, 11:48   #66   link
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ela ela radje rustig hé

bourgi is mij meer waard dan ewa urukhais in china

wat hij probeert te vertellen is, is denk ik hetzelfde als wat ran zei: dat er veel schurken tussen zitten, maar dat het systeem daar er tegelijk voor gezorgd heeft dat er 100en miljoenen mensen wel een beter leven kennen dan dat van hun voorouders. en das wel knap. maar de doorsnee chinees weet mogelijk dus niet wat daar gebeurt, net door het systeem.
allez, of wel, en worden ze ook voorgehouden dat het gewoon een zuivering is van inferieure mensen (zoals ge zelf ook al aanhaalde à la Hitler/Stalin).

ziede, zo is onze driehoek rond.

edit: chance da bourgi geen vrouw is, “what she’s trying to say” hehe zeer misogeen.
allez tenzij ge wel een wijf zijt hé bourgi in dat geval sorry (en pics pls in pm)
Jaak, merci hé. 2 dicpics sent via pm.
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eindigt met mensen die per-se willen nadrukken dat een communistisch regime dat in het midden van die culturele genocide zit ook wel goeie zaken heeft gedaan de laatste jaren

in de meeste discussies is't volledig plat maar nu is men plots volledig genuanceerd, nu het voor één keer eens niet gepast is. k dan
Nuance over de feiten op zich is tamelijk ongepast, ja.

Maar het is een beetje zoals met contact-tracing - om het deftig te kunnen aanpakken heb je veel informatie nodig. Wie worden er rijker van?

Want als dit in het Westen op de voorpagina's komt, gaan er in China koppen rollen van ambtenaren - Xi zelf zit nog wel even veilig denk ik, en zijn eventuele opvolging heeft de leiding over dezelfde Partij. Die Partij bestaat daar uit meer dan 90 miljoen mensen - in een heel hiërarchische structuur. Met ongetwijfeld heel wat heel machtige industriëlen en regionale bonzen die ze vanuit Beijing niet zomaar weg krijgen. (dat Xi zelf ook een evil bastard is daar twijfel ik geen seconde aan).
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Nuance over de feiten op zich is tamelijk ongepast, ja.

Maar het is een beetje zoals met contact-tracing - om het deftig te kunnen aanpakken heb je veel informatie nodig. Wie worden er rijker van?

Want als dit in het Westen op de voorpagina's komt, gaan er in China koppen rollen van ambtenaren - Xi zelf zit nog wel even veilig denk ik, en zijn eventuele opvolging heeft de leiding over dezelfde Partij. Die Partij bestaat daar uit meer dan 90 miljoen mensen - in een heel hiërarchische structuur. Met ongetwijfeld heel wat heel machtige industriëlen en regionale bonzen die ze vanuit Beijing niet zomaar weg krijgen.
maar wat heeft dat allemaal te maken met 't verspreiden van de informatie dat dit aan de gang is? de mensen in het westen moeten weten dat dit gebeurd, zodat er vervolgens druk kan komen op onze politiek

dat is de aller eerste stap: men moet weten dat er een massale culturele genocide on rails wordt gezet met concentratiekampen tegen 1,5 a 2 miljoen minderheden; die stap is al moeilijk genoeg tussen de rest van de informatie. wat heeft de partijstructuur daar mee te maken? da's toch al even irrelevant als "jama kijk keer naar hunne economie!" of "pff tzijn precies toch altijd moslims alé kbedoel nix he maar tvalt toch op" gebral
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Old 17-07-2020, 13:44   #70   link
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Ik heb je een serieus antwoord gegeven op je vraag. Tot ran afkwam met vluchtelingen in de middellandse zee , en Theo Franken en wat nog allemaal.
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maar wat heeft dat allemaal te maken met 't verspreiden van de informatie dat dit aan de gang is? de mensen in het westen moeten weten dat dit gebeurd, zodat er vervolgens druk kan komen op onze politiek

dat is de aller eerste stap: men moet weten dat er een massale culturele genocide on rails wordt gezet met concentratiekampen tegen 1,5 a 2 miljoen minderheden; die stap is al moeilijk genoeg tussen de rest van de informatie. wat heeft de partijstructuur daar mee te maken? da's toch al even irrelevant als "jama kijk keer naar hunne economie!" of "pff tzijn precies toch altijd moslims alé kbedoel nix he maar tvalt toch op" gebral
Onze politiek weet dat toch al jaren - ook dat het heel erg is? (Dachau is misschien net overdreven - niet dat het iets afdoet aan het lijden nu, maar dat was gericht op industriële vernietiging van mensen - hier is het zo ver nog niet, en is het eerder vernietiging van cultuur en geest).

Komt ook regelmatig eens in het nieuws, en mensenrechtenorganisaties klagen het al jaren aan.

Leidt internationaal tot exact niets - vooral omdat Rusland alles blokkeert. Het is goed om het op de agenda te zetten, natuurlijk, respect daarvoor.

Uiteindelijk is partijstructuur heel relevant. Je kan daar individuen voor aanklagen - eventueel voor het internationaal strafhof brengen (dream on, ran). Maar niet het ganse Chinese volk, en zelfs niet de ganse communistische partij. Xi kan als het moet gewoon zeggen: "we weten dat er een probleem met corruptie is en zijn ermee bezig."

China gaat die politiek van heropvoeding niet laten vallen, eh. Er zijn imho 2 dingen die we kunnen doen:
1) mensenrechtenorganisaties steunen (financieel en met aandacht).
2) Ervoor zorgen dat vluchtelingen vlot toevlucht vinden in ons land.

https://www.uyghurcongress.org/en/pr...g-china-visit/

https://uyghuramerican.org/article/m...an-rights.html

https://www.dw.com/en/why-is-germany...ses/a-51545962

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Last week, US President Donald Trump signed human rights legislation supporting the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong, and on Tuesday, US lawmakers passed the "Uighur Human Rights Policy Act," which calls for "targeted sanctions" on members of the Chinese government.
En daar wat verder doorklikken geeft:
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/opin...justified.html

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Chinese language courses are compulsory for Muslims because of communication barriers with Uighur and other Muslim communities, according to the Chinese authorities. An unusual aspect of this exercise is that the authorities are attempting to introduce a local, Chinese version of Islam on the pattern of its previous exercise of nurturing socialism with Chinese characteristics. For this purpose, Beijing has established Islamic learning centres to prepare imams, or prayer leaders, who can preach the ‘Chinese version’ of Islam. These centres are not allowed to collaborate with other Islamic institutions in Muslim countries.

It is interesting that at a time when exclusionism, supremacism, and hyper-nationalism tendencies are globally on the rise, China has decided to launch its own version of ‘harmonising’ society. This thinking might appear to negate the global trends but in essence, its objectives are similar, and it has little space for accepting diversity.
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Old 17-07-2020, 18:38   #72   link
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nog meer slecht nieuws.



twitter thread dat uitlegt waarom het slecht nieuws is:



ik heb ondertussen nog links en artikels genoeg die de komende dagen hier gepost gaan worden. zeg het verder aan familie en vrienden wat voor iets verschrikkelijk is gestart en gaat blijven duren als ge kunt, mensen moeten weten dat er een nieuwe holocaust bezig is in het verre oosten.
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https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202007170004

Mooi zo.

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Old 17-07-2020, 19:21   #74   link
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maajid ain't havin' it

in't verenigd koninkrijk zitten (mogelijks verleden tijd nu met het weren van huawei 5g?) ze ook met een groot probleem van china dat in alle niveau's/lagen van de maatschappij was binnen gedrongen om pro ccp propaganda te verkondigen en beleid te beïnvloeden

daar is nu een bipartisan movement op gang aan't komen. op links is er een oorverdovende stilte van de corbynistas kant van labour, die natuurlijk wel met heel veel schaamte zijn vertrokken en weggestemd, zowel in de verkiezingen als in intern bij het verkiezen van een nieuwe voorzitter.
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De UK is een van de landen die extra inspanningen leveren voor vluchtelingen uit China.
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Vluchtelingen uit Hong Kong bedoel je
Ziede ran gelooft al dat Hong Kong China is wa ne fucking shill
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account die ook alles aan het verzamelen is.
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Radje, nu kunde het wel vergeten om ooit nog naar China op reis te gaan zonder rectaal onderzocht te worden.
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Old 20-07-2020, 10:24   #80   link
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winnie the pooh (zoek het op + xi jingping als ge't niet begrijpt) en zijn crimineel facistisch regime laten geen crisis ongebruikt gaan

maskers gemaakt door oeigoer slaven

ondertussen neemt de gewaarheid wel toe. in de commonwealth



europa



politieke vluchtelingen hebben zaak gestart bij internationaal gerechtshof den haag

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